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	<title>Comments on: SaaS Rules in the Middle Market – Turn That AS/400 Box into an Ashtray</title>
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		<title>By: David Bush - Iasta</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 01:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Eric.  I could not have said it better myself and could not agree more.  Thank you for taking the time to write a well crafted explanation, as I also believe it is a topic overrun with marketing and &quot;thin&quot; on understanding.  SaaS can be very limited by browser technology in terms of functionality, speed and security.  It is amazing that IT departments occassionally cannot grasp this concept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Eric.  I could not have said it better myself and could not agree more.  Thank you for taking the time to write a well crafted explanation, as I also believe it is a topic overrun with marketing and &#8220;thin&#8221; on understanding.  SaaS can be very limited by browser technology in terms of functionality, speed and security.  It is amazing that IT departments occassionally cannot grasp this concept.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Strovink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Strovink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 18:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There hasn&#039;t been as much benefit from SaaS as there should have been.  The pain associated with creating solid web-based distributed applications has delayed progress on software functionality and reliability.  From the trenches, I have seen progress grinding to a halt, even reversing for a while, as we grappled with new technologies and rapidly-evolving standards.  I do agree that potential benefit is there, though.

Also, I think it&#039;s important to define what we mean by &quot;Software as a Service.&quot;  Is SaaS an installation/update methodology, or has the term become a generalized mandate for running every client application inside the browser?  This is an important question, because browsers simply aren&#039;t up to running complex apps.  Even Ajax technology is raw and bad -- just try to do something GUI-ish, and see how ugly it gets.  Building a large app with Ajax is not feasible at all.

So, for fill-in-the-form RFx and simple database apps like contract management, browser-based thin clients work OK, and I&#039;m fine with slapping the sloppy &quot;they ought to be SaaS&quot; label on them.

But for heavy-duty analysis, or heavily interactive applications, browser-based clients don&#039;t work well at all (when&#039;s the last time you built a spreadsheet model over the Web?).  One solution to this is the so-called &quot;stateless thick client.&quot;  For an interesting discussion, see Tolia, Andersen and Satyanarayanan, &quot;Quantifying Interactive User Experience on Thin Clients&quot;, IEEE Computer March 2006.

The good news is that thick clients can be SaaS, too; in the precise meaning of SaaS, that is -- i.e. automatic update and invisible temporary installation.  But there&#039;s absolutely no reason to mandate that everything run in the browser.  That would be a terribly limiting outcome, given the poor state of current browser technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There hasn&#8217;t been as much benefit from SaaS as there should have been.  The pain associated with creating solid web-based distributed applications has delayed progress on software functionality and reliability.  From the trenches, I have seen progress grinding to a halt, even reversing for a while, as we grappled with new technologies and rapidly-evolving standards.  I do agree that potential benefit is there, though.</p>
<p>Also, I think it&#8217;s important to define what we mean by &#8220;Software as a Service.&#8221;  Is SaaS an installation/update methodology, or has the term become a generalized mandate for running every client application inside the browser?  This is an important question, because browsers simply aren&#8217;t up to running complex apps.  Even Ajax technology is raw and bad &#8212; just try to do something GUI-ish, and see how ugly it gets.  Building a large app with Ajax is not feasible at all.</p>
<p>So, for fill-in-the-form RFx and simple database apps like contract management, browser-based thin clients work OK, and I&#8217;m fine with slapping the sloppy &#8220;they ought to be SaaS&#8221; label on them.</p>
<p>But for heavy-duty analysis, or heavily interactive applications, browser-based clients don&#8217;t work well at all (when&#8217;s the last time you built a spreadsheet model over the Web?).  One solution to this is the so-called &#8220;stateless thick client.&#8221;  For an interesting discussion, see Tolia, Andersen and Satyanarayanan, &#8220;Quantifying Interactive User Experience on Thin Clients&#8221;, IEEE Computer March 2006.</p>
<p>The good news is that thick clients can be SaaS, too; in the precise meaning of SaaS, that is &#8212; i.e. automatic update and invisible temporary installation.  But there&#8217;s absolutely no reason to mandate that everything run in the browser.  That would be a terribly limiting outcome, given the poor state of current browser technology.</p>
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